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The last thing we need is to continue growing world populations, including the US. The type of growth you mention is responsible for driving carbon emissions, the loss of natural habitat and related species and cleansing plants, and severe disparities in education, income, food, water, and healthcare. Already, there simply isn't enough to go around sustainably, if the population were to continuously grow without fixing certain things first. As you mention, and as others have also proven, you CAN NOT grow your way out of the social security problem, nor any of the other things mentioned above.

Without responsible decisions to improve land use, energy and food sources toward more sustainable options, and to improve living standards and education for existing population, growing the number of people on this planet makes no sense at all. Having lived for 22 years in many different countries outside the US, this is painfully obvious. To pretend it is beneficial is reckless.

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To answer another comment: overpopulation is not a real concern. We used to hear about it in the media A LOT in the early 90’s. That was a lot of media propaganda used to push rightwing policy against social support systems. Your Reagan and Thatcher era politics- neoliberal economic ideas like “trickledown economics” that simply aren’t based in facts and economically, were shown to not yield what was pro-ported. The idea that making the people at the top rich with then matriculate down is naive, at best. Jeff Bezos isn’t trickling down and those policies mark a turning point that can directly linked to where we find ourselves today.

To Marc:

You are irresponsible for putting this idea out there without any additional consideration for why this is occurring. Population growth is essential, but until you have a strong infrastructure and social support system to enable it, it’s irresponsible and reckless. Look at the socialist style systems that Roosevelt put in place to alleviate depression and unemployment, what followed? Baby boomers. The end of the war, our position as global industrial leaders (partly because everyone else was destroyed), and the support systems allowed for young people to have families without fear. We don’t have that right now. Telling people simply “have more babies” is how you get people who are ill equipped to handle the reality and finance of babies which become a tax on the system, not fueling it. The United States is barely the richest country ahead of China and unlike China, we haven’t been doing the global infrastructure development that they have for the past 15 years. (New Silk Road project). We also haven’t “raised the floor” like china. They successfully moved a significant amount of their country out of poverty via socialist principles while pressing forward with capitalist initiatives. This country is headed towards the same fate as the Roman’s unless we get back to our greatest export-war. We sell war and it makes us rich. People don’t want it anymore and we don’t produce much else besides IP, that we improperly tax making a few mega rich but fails to fuel the rest of the system (but we also know trickle down economics is a fallacy). Adding more children, if anything, adds more to the lowest echelons of the socio-economic brackets and this country (as many others) profit and was built upon slave labor and cheap labor. But as mentioned earlier, we no longer manufacture. So, maybe think a bit more about how and why population growth should occur, what is necessary for it to do add, and yield what you had in mind when you sent out that blanket directive without much thought other than a privileged perspective. I’d also suggest reading some graduate level economic development books.

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